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Oct 13, 2024 11:28 AM
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Idk what happened, i rewatched S1 recently and even if Subaru got on my nerves sometimes, i could just rationalize it to him being knew to all this and all the shock, so i was able to come out of that still liking it, but we still have the same stoopid Subaru in S3, always screaming, making situations worse, not being able to figure out a way to fight after dying multiple times, even with a lot of heavy hitters on his side, only clear difference i see is that he doesn't try to do everything on his own.

I legit think S2 was atrocious, focusing on really boring characters like Otto/Gar and superfluous characters like the witches outside of Echidna, it also made Emilia very unlikeable to me, where she basically has no agency over her own life, Subaru goes missing and she goes bananas, sometimes i wonder if she asks Roswald if she can go pee, she doesn't seem to have wants or needs, even in the most recent episode, she didn't go after Subaru on her own, f** Priscila was the one to tell her to go.

It seems S3 will most likely be a dud for me as well(maybe not as bad as S2 though), with all characters feeling one dimensional and their interactions being hollow, like NPCs(Willhelm is cool), the author doesn't seem to know how to balance so many characters at once, i think that might have been the main reason S1 was able to come out well in comparison, since all of the arcs are self contained with just a couple of important characters, i'll keep watching a few more episodes though, so don't post any "just drop it then" responses.
Worldbuilding still non-existent.

PS: Why does Subaru still wears his earth clothes? it's funny with Kazuma in KonoSuba, bc they're making fun of isekai stories, but here it's just weird, on that note, some of characters' faces are really weirdly long with their nose really far from the eyes.


edit: Re: Zero fandom not beating the allegations of being one of the most hateful fandoms.
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Oct 13, 2024 11:36 AM
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its okay uncle you can relax
You are amazing 『Natsuki Subaru』
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Dw about it, I'll like Re:Zero twice as much in your absence. You can give up on it now
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Re: Zero - Starting bait in another thread from zero
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo
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WHO TF ASKED HOW YOU FEEL LIL BRO
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Guys we gotta calm down,there will always be haters with bad opinions,there's nothing we can do🇫🇷🎩🎵.Just go read the replies to see if there's anything funny in there,maybe write your own then move forward.
Oct 13, 2024 11:48 AM
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Time to pack it up bro, we can watch it without you.
Oct 13, 2024 11:51 AM
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I'm currently writing a response but also, why does it seem like no one else is interested in an actual discussion? It's very shallow "you don't get it" "I'm insulting you" "I won't share why I personally think it's good" it's very anti-intellectual and anti-art but it IS the MAL forums so what did I expect (gimme a sec to figure out quoting for my response)
Oct 13, 2024 11:51 AM
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It's always these guys with the lowest emotional intelligence ever who don't like Re:Zero and complain about it, cause they just can't understand how brilliantly human the characters are written.

If you think Subaru is still the same as in Season 1 you should just drop it
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oh really? do i look like i care lil bro?
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I'm currently writing a response but also, why does it seem like no one else is interested in an actual discussion? It's very shallow "you don't get it" "I'm insulting you" "I won't share why I personally think it's good" it's very anti-intellectual and anti-art but it IS the MAL forums so what did I expect (gimme a sec to figure out quoting for my response)
@ReXiRa because anyone with experience on MAL forums knows that "actual discussion" literally doesn't work. I have never seen a single person actually change their opinion whatsoever in scenarios like this one. If the guy is baiting, he's going to stick with it, and if he's not baiting, then he's a dumbass who isn't going to listen to you because his mind is set on the idea that the show is bad.
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@AshTheChamp How dare you tell him to drop the show?! It's an infringement of his rights!

He has to atleast claim to watch the show to get the pass to crave attention here. MAL is a terrific site which encourages invaluable and intellectual posts like these.
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo
Oct 13, 2024 12:03 PM

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don't worry bro you can stop watching, we don't mind
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Your shit take doesn't deserve a whole fricking thread. If you don't like the series anymore, then just drop it and move on instead of hate-watching like an obsessed little chimp.
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Oct 13, 2024 12:11 PM
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Time to give it up. Close this thread. It’s pointless.
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This coming from a guy with a mean score of 5, and puts masterpieces like Frieran and Violet Evergarden under a score of 5.
Oct 13, 2024 12:14 PM
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SteelingMax said:
Idk what happened, i rewatched S1 recently and even if Subaru got on my nerves sometimes, i could just rationalize it to him being knew to all this, so i was able to come out of that still liking it, but we still have the same stoopid Subaru in S3, always screaming, making situations worse, not being able to figure out a way to fight after dying, even with a lot of heavy hitters on his side.

I legit think S2 was atrocious, introducing tons of really really boring characters like Otto/Gar and superfluous characters like the witches outside of Echidna, it also made Emilia very unlikeable, where she basically has no agency over her own life, Subaru goes missing and she goes crazy, sometimes i wonder if she asks Roswald if she can go pee, even in the most recent episode, she didn't go after Subaru out of her own, f** Priscila was the one to tell her to go.

It seems S3 will most likely be a dud for me as well, with all characters feeling one dimensional and their interactions being hollow, like NPCs, the author doesn't seem to know how to balance so many characters at once, i think that might have been the main reason S1 was able to come out well in comparison, since all of the arcs are self contained with just a couple of important characters.

i'll keep watching though

PS: Why does Subaru still wears his earth clothes? it's funny in KonoSuba but here it's just weird, on that note, i really hate the overdesigned characters and most characters' faces are really long and ugly.


“i’Ll kEeP wAtChiNg tHoUgH.” If you dont like it dont watch it lol
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Nega who asked from you tho?
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trash take re:zero > your favorite show



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SteelingMax said:
Idk what happened, i rewatched S1 recently and even if Subaru got on my nerves sometimes, i could just rationalize it to him being knew to all this, so i was able to come out of that still liking it, but we still have the same stoopid Subaru in S3, always screaming, making situations worse, not being able to figure out a way to fight after dying, even with a lot of heavy hitters on his side.

I legit think S2 was atrocious, introducing tons of really really boring characters like Otto/Gar and superfluous characters like the witches outside of Echidna, it also made Emilia very unlikeable, where she basically has no agency over her own life, Subaru goes missing and she goes crazy, sometimes i wonder if she asks Roswald if she can go pee, even in the most recent episode, she didn't go after Subaru out of her own, f** Priscila was the one to tell her to go.

It seems S3 will most likely be a dud for me as well, with all characters feeling one dimensional and their interactions being hollow, like NPCs, the author doesn't seem to know how to balance so many characters at once, i think that might have been the main reason S1 was able to come out well in comparison, since all of the arcs are self contained with just a couple of important characters.

i'll keep watching though

PS: Why does Subaru still wears his earth clothes? it's funny in KonoSuba but here it's just weird, on that note, i really hate the overdesigned characters and most characters' faces are really long and ugly.


Bro, i get you want attention and want to show off how retarded you are but please do this somewhere else. most of your complaints don't even make sense, i am not even gonna try to discuss this with you cause retards like you are impossible to reason with
Oct 13, 2024 12:34 PM
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ok? just drop the show then
Oct 13, 2024 12:42 PM

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It's always these guys with the lowest emotional intelligence ever who don't like Re:Zero and complain about it, cause they just can't understand how brilliantly human the characters are written.

If you think Subaru is still the same as in Season 1 you should just drop it
@AshTheChamp i'm not saying he's exactly the same, i just said he's ACTING very similarly, sorry if i miscommunicated, different people can act the same in a given situation, so i don't think they're mutually exclusive.
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AshTheChamp said:
It's always these guys with the lowest emotional intelligence ever who don't like Re:Zero and complain about it, cause they just can't understand how brilliantly human the characters are written.

If you think Subaru is still the same as in Season 1 you should just drop it

Some of his takes are bad, but generally he's right. Subaru's lack of character development is pretty obvious. Or more like, if this is the only development he has after what he went through in the previous seasons, then the writing isn't that good.
In the 2nd episode it was pretty obvious that he tried the same pattern with the same logic as always even after he got used to the world.

This is a shame, because other characters actually work with that amount of development, but Subaru had multiple lives, so he should develop faster.
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SteelingMax said:

but we still have the same stoopid Subaru in S3, always screaming, making situations worse, not being able to figure out a way to fight after dying, even with a lot of heavy hitters on his side.

1) It's not like he tortured himself to increase his pain tolerance no? I don't know how much people scream whilst in intense pain but I think you can cut him some slack here since, he feels pain, just like a human would.
2) that's kinda the point of telling a story with a redo mechanic though? I personally think it'd make for a far worse, boring product if he could find the right thing to do right away on the 2nd attempt. It's a bit different but think of it this way.
If you play a game for the first time and someone expects you to do world record speedrun strats on your first revive, I would give a lecture on managing expectations.
And the whole reason that 3rd loop happened was to show us, the reader, that just because of how much a broken cheat code Reinhard van Astrea might be, he's not an automatic win button. And also to setup the explanation afterwards of all magic users and spirit magic users being unable to use mana in his presence.

SteelingMax said:

I legit think S2 was atrocious, introducing tons of really really boring characters like Otto/Gar

Otto was introduced in S1 no? Though he does make the jump to main cast in S2
While Garfiel was mostly defined by his backstory and role in the Sanctuary, both Otto and Garfiel are currently Subaru's only 2 emotional support guy friends (you can hardly call Roswaal L Mathers one with his scheming)
No matter what you personally think of them, individually, as a character. You can't deny the importance of those 2's existence in being pillars to support Subaru.
(tangential but Garfiel's also like.. 15? He's young enough that I can justify the slight 中二病 character he puts on when saving those kids with mimi. Otto is also a slightly awkward but still very much a merchant character, he kinda grounds the other characters in reality just a bit even though he does end up at the butt of jokes oftentimes)

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and superfluous characters like the witches outside of Echidna

A bit off-topic but, I do think that the initial plot point of "we have to save half the villagers in the sanctuary" and "the witches souls are stored in the sanctuary" are a bit forced in how they were brought up (especially the former), but the latter is very much setup, for future arcs. They do feel just a bit superflous since they only appear very briefly, but it does make the fact that the Witch of Envy, being the only witch remembered 400 years later, that much more impressive, even though the other witches were practically walking natural disasters as well. (not counting Vainglory's Pandora and Melancholy's Hector since we still don't know enough about them as well)

I think you may have thought that way because we didn't get enough screentime to explain their whole deal, or they got just enough screentime that you're left wanting more and was dissapointed that they didn't really do anything substansial, leading you to think they were superflous additions (and in that respect I somewhat agree, since the only crucial other witch was Gluttony's Daphne, the only really didn't do much of anything witch was Sloth's Sekhmet in my opinion though)

SteelingMax said:

it also made Emilia very unlikeable, where she basically has no agency over her own life, Subaru goes missing and she goes crazy

In a vaccum, it may seem so. But you also have to remember that Emilia's traumatic experience of having 2 of the closest people in your life being killed by the other and said other losing their sanity right after, will net most people into decades-long therapy with PTSD.

If you do summarize it as a damsel-in-distress, can't do anything without Subaru, it does show how much you don't understand trauma, mental health and the like or just plain and simple oversimplification of the events that actually transpired. I do think in retrospect, it didn't have to specifically be Subaru but it was more that Subaru was the only one capable of emotionally supporting Emilia at that point. (Ram's out of the question, Roswaal even more so, the villagers don't exactly trust her, and so on)

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sometimes i wonder if she asks Roswald if she can go pee

I have no idea how you got that idea since following orders are more of the maid's job (Rem, Ram, Frederica, and now Petra) but it's more so the villagers being held hostage, and Emilia herself being trapped, and her wanting to free the other half-beastmen and stuff. Blind hatred is a hell of a drug I guess

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even in the most recent episode, she didn't go after Subaru out of her own, f** Priscila was the one to tell her to go.

I'm sorry if I come across as rude but, I do worry that you've never had a friend encourage you to do something?
Emilia is just way too considerate for her own good at times, and y'know, an acquaintance (since they're rivals in the selection) giving her that small drop of courage so she can take the first step into trying to level the playing field with Subaru (fighting alongside him instead of just being protected, which, she's shown that she doesn't like just being protected ever since atleast the end of S1 with the carriage scene and afterwards) is not that rare, generally, in both fiction and real life.
I'm starting to think that in your dislike of Emilia, you've oversimplified, never tried putting yourself in her shoes, and disliked anything that happens to her, just because when you remove all context, she seems like a timid, indecisive, codependent damsel-in-distress when she's really not all that

SteelingMax said:

It seems S3 will most likely be a dud for me as well, with all characters feeling one dimensional and their interactions being hollow, like NPCs, the author doesn't seem to know how to balance so many characters at once, i think that might have been the main reason S1 was able to come out well in comparison, since all of the arcs are self contained with just a couple of important characters.

No one's gonna judge you for dropping S3, people have preferences
I do think Nagatsuki Teppei-sensei's doing a well enough job of balancing an extensive colorful cast of characters. But I do think the only reason you liked S1 more was that
a) we still didn't know much of anyone, and no one has been fleshed out just yet
b) there was a common enemy in the white whale
I personally really liked that we got to focus on Garfiel and his inferiority complex with both Elsa and Reinhard, as well as his past.
The Van Astreas almost making up until Priscilla brought the deadweight dad into the mix.
Hints of Felt's faction growing in influence, by reintroducing Chin and giving him an actual name instead of just a joke one.
Joshua, a family member of Julius being introduced, contrasting his proud brother with his more emmisary-esque? vibe, with also his respect towards his brother.
Julius rethinking his knightly ideals
Anastasia showing both hospitality/camaraderie as well as a slight cunning in her merchant background and not inviting Priscilla as well as getting more imported Japanese culture in the Kararagi specialties
I could go on and on, haha

SteelingMax said:

PS: Why does Subaru still wears his earth clothes? it's funny in KonoSuba but here it's just weird

I also think it's weird, Kazuma changes into more appropriate attire not long after and mostly just cherishes his tracksuit while Subaru keeps wearing it. Extrinsically, maybe it's just more for market recognizability? Intrinsically it doesn't make much sense other than comfort by sacrificing "fitting in"

SteelingMax said:

on that note, i really hate the overdesigned characters and most characters' faces are really long and ugly.

It really depends on the character, comparatively, most re:zero characters don't really have super detailed superfluous designs like, let's say Genshin and the like. But also comparisons won't get us anywhere but my personal disdain is directed towards Liliana's design, specifically the leaves she has on her hips, which just seems kinda racist. Her design overall is also not something I enjoy but I can kinda deal with it, if not for the leaves

I really don't think the re:zero casts has long faces (some of the hyper stylized BL stuff are much worse, but again, apples and oranges) I think it's just that most anime designs are rounder/that japanese beauty thing of smaller face/head, the better
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mohamedo_abuduru said:
@ReXiRa because anyone with experience on MAL forums knows that "actual discussion" literally doesn't work. I have never seen a single person actually change their opinion whatsoever in scenarios like this one. If the guy is baiting, he's going to stick with it, and if he's not baiting, then he's a dumbass who isn't going to listen to you because his mind is set on the idea that the show is bad.

Generally speaking, I'd personally still like to try

I'm not a fan of giving up a chance to continue a discussion unless they're REALLY arguing in bad faith
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This coming from a guy with a mean score of 5, and puts masterpieces like Frieran and Violet Evergarden under a score of 5.

Ehh, comparing shows don't really work since Frieren and Violet Evergarden (past the first season) aren't flawless anyways

For frieren, personally it's how demons are handled, which are just so very shallow and reinforces racist influences in fantasy worlds

Also I'm just not a big fan of how her story went in the last movie, (the original season is nearly flawless though)
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AshTheChamp said:
It's always these guys with the lowest emotional intelligence ever who don't like Re:Zero and complain about it, cause they just can't understand how brilliantly human the characters are written.

If you think Subaru is still the same as in Season 1 you should just drop it

Some of his takes are bad, but generally he's right. Subaru's lack of character development is pretty obvious. Or more like, if this is the only development he has after what he went through in the previous seasons, then the writing isn't that good.
In the 2nd episode it was pretty obvious that he tried the same pattern with the same logic as always even after he got used to the world.

This is a shame, because other characters actually work with that amount of development, but Subaru had multiple lives, so he should develop faster.

I do think that the notion of multiple lives = faster development is kinda wrong?

Multiple lives can just as much, keep you in one place, rather that only work to develop him as a character (much of season 1 explores this methinks)

Also the fact that literally every character develops at a different speed at different stages so, I think it's mostly how you personally think Subaru's not developing fast enough rather than anything, in my opinion atleast (I personally think people don't develop that fast since some old habits die hard, but in this case it's more so that Subaru's actually being way more careful and thinking through each loop way more than previous cases ever since Satella asked him to stop throwing away his lives so much)
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ktg said:
AshTheChamp said:
It's always these guys with the lowest emotional intelligence ever who don't like Re:Zero and complain about it, cause they just can't understand how brilliantly human the characters are written.

If you think Subaru is still the same as in Season 1 you should just drop it

Some of his takes are bad, but generally he's right. Subaru's lack of character development is pretty obvious. Or more like, if this is the only development he has after what he went through in the previous seasons, then the writing isn't that good.
In the 2nd episode it was pretty obvious that he tried the same pattern with the same logic as always even after he got used to the world.

This is a shame, because other characters actually work with that amount of development, but Subaru had multiple lives, so he should develop faster.

Wtf no. Subaru tries to rely on his friends and allies more often which is part of his character development that was set in season 2.
That became quite obvious in the second episode.

After he died first he was still confused and in a PTSD state. He couldn't even tell if he died or not and if so he doesn't know in what way. In that loop he shifts back to old habits by dealing with it by himself which does not go well, but given the state he was in on top of the little time he had it was only natural that he acted too fast and irrational.

In the second loop he clearly takes his time to think before acting and comes up with a plan that consists of relying on someone else which is growth regarding his character. Before Otto and Garfiel helped him and put themselves in danger Subaru never relied on someone else or put them in danger. He would rather die, due to his low self worth than putting someone else, especially someone he cares about in danger.

The latter point didn't change like we saw in the second episode when Emilia wanted to help, but Subaru realised fast that he has friends on his side who are valuing his life and deeply care for him.

Subaru also deducted that Reinhardt was not the answer to that situation. Some people would say that he would try another time with Reinhardt and he takes Sirius as far away as possible, but Subaru still doesn't know where the boundaries of her witch factor are and Subaru usually treats every loop as his possible last one. He does his best to leave the world the best way possible. It's still unknown if he creates a new timeline or just travels back in time.

The complain of "killing himself" when something goes wrong is also fckg stupid, cause it goes against the point I mentioned above of Subaru not knowing how his return by death works and the other crucial theme of the development of Subaru to value his life.

His major development will be part of Arc 6 or the second part of Season 3, but even the things we've got are quite good for Subarus development.


I wrote all that while being tired, so sry if smth is not understandable, but I tried to show that Subaru has grown and it's shown.
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but we still have the same stoopid Subaru in S3, always screaming, making situations worse, not being able to figure out a way to fight after dying, even with a lot of heavy hitters on his side.

1) It's not like he tortured himself to increase his pain tolerance no? I don't know how much people scream whilst in intense pain but I think you can cut him some slack here since, he feels pain, just like a human would.
2) that's kinda the point of telling a story with a redo mechanic though? I personally think it'd make for a far worse, boring product if he could find the right thing to do right away on the 2nd attempt. It's a bit different but think of it this way.
If you play a game for the first time and someone expects you to do world record speedrun strats on your first revive, I would give a lecture on managing expectations.
And the whole reason that 3rd loop happened was to show us, the reader, that just because of how much a broken cheat code Reinhard van Astrea might be, he's not an automatic win button. And also to setup the explanation afterwards of all magic users and spirit magic users being unable to use mana in his presence.

SteelingMax said:

I legit think S2 was atrocious, introducing tons of really really boring characters like Otto/Gar

Otto was introduced in S1 no? Though he does make the jump to main cast in S2
While Garfiel was mostly defined by his backstory and role in the Sanctuary, both Otto and Garfiel are currently Subaru's only 2 emotional support guy friends (you can hardly call Roswaal L Mathers one with his scheming)
No matter what you personally think of them, individually, as a character. You can't deny the importance of those 2's existence in being pillars to support Subaru.
(tangential but Garfiel's also like.. 15? He's young enough that I can justify the slight 中二病 character he puts on when saving those kids with mimi. Otto is also a slightly awkward but still very much a merchant character, he kinda grounds the other characters in reality just a bit even though he does end up at the butt of jokes oftentimes)

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and superfluous characters like the witches outside of Echidna

A bit off-topic but, I do think that the initial plot point of "we have to save half the villagers in the sanctuary" and "the witches souls are stored in the sanctuary" are a bit forced in how they were brought up (especially the former), but the latter is very much setup, for future arcs. They do feel just a bit superflous since they only appear very briefly, but it does make the fact that the Witch of Envy, being the only witch remembered 400 years later, that much more impressive, even though the other witches were practically walking natural disasters as well. (not counting Vainglory's Pandora and Melancholy's Hector since we still don't know enough about them as well)

I think you may have thought that way because we didn't get enough screentime to explain their whole deal, or they got just enough screentime that you're left wanting more and was dissapointed that they didn't really do anything substansial, leading you to think they were superflous additions (and in that respect I somewhat agree, since the only crucial other witch was Gluttony's Daphne, the only really didn't do much of anything witch was Sloth's Sekhmet in my opinion though)

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it also made Emilia very unlikeable, where she basically has no agency over her own life, Subaru goes missing and she goes crazy

In a vaccum, it may seem so. But you also have to remember that Emilia's traumatic experience of having 2 of the closest people in your life being killed by the other and said other losing their sanity right after, will net most people into decades-long therapy with PTSD.

If you do summarize it as a damsel-in-distress, can't do anything without Subaru, it does show how much you don't understand trauma, mental health and the like or just plain and simple oversimplification of the events that actually transpired. I do think in retrospect, it didn't have to specifically be Subaru but it was more that Subaru was the only one capable of emotionally supporting Emilia at that point. (Ram's out of the question, Roswaal even more so, the villagers don't exactly trust her, and so on)

SteelingMax said:

sometimes i wonder if she asks Roswald if she can go pee

I have no idea how you got that idea since following orders are more of the maid's job (Rem, Ram, Frederica, and now Petra) but it's more so the villagers being held hostage, and Emilia herself being trapped, and her wanting to free the other half-beastmen and stuff. Blind hatred is a hell of a drug I guess

SteelingMax said:

even in the most recent episode, she didn't go after Subaru out of her own, f** Priscila was the one to tell her to go.

I'm sorry if I come across as rude but, I do worry that you've never had a friend encourage you to do something?
Emilia is just way too considerate for her own good at times, and y'know, an acquaintance (since they're rivals in the selection) giving her that small drop of courage so she can take the first step into trying to level the playing field with Subaru (fighting alongside him instead of just being protected, which, she's shown that she doesn't like just being protected ever since atleast the end of S1 with the carriage scene and afterwards) is not that rare, generally, in both fiction and real life.
I'm starting to think that in your dislike of Emilia, you've oversimplified, never tried putting yourself in her shoes, and disliked anything that happens to her, just because when you remove all context, she seems like a timid, indecisive, codependent damsel-in-distress when she's really not all that

SteelingMax said:

It seems S3 will most likely be a dud for me as well, with all characters feeling one dimensional and their interactions being hollow, like NPCs, the author doesn't seem to know how to balance so many characters at once, i think that might have been the main reason S1 was able to come out well in comparison, since all of the arcs are self contained with just a couple of important characters.

No one's gonna judge you for dropping S3, people have preferences
I do think Nagatsuki Teppei-sensei's doing a well enough job of balancing an extensive colorful cast of characters. But I do think the only reason you liked S1 more was that
a) we still didn't know much of anyone, and no one has been fleshed out just yet
b) there was a common enemy in the white whale
I personally really liked that we got to focus on Garfiel and his inferiority complex with both Elsa and Reinhard, as well as his past.
The Van Astreas almost making up until Priscilla brought the deadweight dad into the mix.
Hints of Felt's faction growing in influence, by reintroducing Chin and giving him an actual name instead of just a joke one.
Joshua, a family member of Julius being introduced, contrasting his proud brother with his more emmisary-esque? vibe, with also his respect towards his brother.
Julius rethinking his knightly ideals
Anastasia showing both hospitality/camaraderie as well as a slight cunning in her merchant background and not inviting Priscilla as well as getting more imported Japanese culture in the Kararagi specialties
I could go on and on, haha

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PS: Why does Subaru still wears his earth clothes? it's funny in KonoSuba but here it's just weird

I also think it's weird, Kazuma changes into more appropriate attire not long after and mostly just cherishes his tracksuit while Subaru keeps wearing it. Extrinsically, maybe it's just more for market recognizability? Intrinsically it doesn't make much sense other than comfort by sacrificing "fitting in"

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on that note, i really hate the overdesigned characters and most characters' faces are really long and ugly.

It really depends on the character, comparatively, most re:zero characters don't really have super detailed superfluous designs like, let's say Genshin and the like. But also comparisons won't get us anywhere but my personal disdain is directed towards Liliana's design, specifically the leaves she has on her hips, which just seems kinda racist. Her design overall is also not something I enjoy but I can kinda deal with it, if not for the leaves

I really don't think the re:zero casts has long faces (some of the hyper stylized BL stuff are much worse, but again, apples and oranges) I think it's just that most anime designs are rounder/that japanese beauty thing of smaller face/head, the better
@ReXiRa I'm not saying Subaru needs to have everything figured out on his first revive, i'm just saying he should calm down way faster, i know he's not particularly smart, but he has tons of people around him that are really smart and really powerful, it took him 3 deaths to understand the villain's power even though it was obvious from the first time it was shown, maybe the shock from the first death got him confused, but after the second it should have been clear, even for him, specially bc he and kid were linked for a good amount of time.

i don't think i like any character introduced in later seasons aside of Echidna.
Gar and Otto(i know he was introduced in S1, but he was just someone riding a carriage) they don't really add anything to the story, i know Subaru can't speak to Pack anymore so he needs some support that maybe Beatrice can't give, but those two are very boring characters to use for that, i burst out laughing last season when Otto's ability to speak to animals was revealed, author trying to make characters relevant in the weirdest ways possible, Gar annoys the crap out of me, i hate characters that are constantly screaming.

i do dislike Emilia, that's for sure.
I get the trauma, but Subaru was gone for a couple of days, didn't she imagine he was doing something important, busy or being killed, trauma doesn't excuse you wanting to lash out at the smallest disturbances, that's the single worst way to deal with trauma.

I said i'm going to keep watching bc there were some threads that i'm curious about, so i won't drop it just yet, i didn't make this thread to show my hate to the world or as bait, i'm just trying to see if my opinions are actually that rare about these newer seasons, bc the scores make it seem like everyone stills loves this series just as much as S1.

I don't think they actually have long faces, is just that their mouths seat way too low on the face, which looks really odd, it's also always the villains that look like that, maybe it's on purpose, still looks off though.
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@AshThe Champ Let me take my time to slightly fix that

After he died first he was still confused and in a PTSD state. He couldn't even tell if he died or not and if so he doesn't know in what way. In that loop he shifts back to old habits by dealing with it by himself which does not go well, but given the state he was in on top of the little time he had it was only natural that he acted too fast and irrational.


He was shaken for dying after a whole year, but he wasn't too irrational. He figured out Emilia might be a target for archbishops and it was proved right in the end. So he made Beako guard her. Liliana was deemed useless, and Priscilla isn't an option.
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@ReXiRa I'm not saying Subaru needs to have everything figured out on his first revive, i'm just saying he should calm down way faster, i know he's not particularly smart, but he has tons of people around him that are really smart and really powerful, it took him 3 deaths to understand the villain's power even though it was obvious from the first time it was shown, maybe the shock from the first death got him confused, but after the second it should have been clear, even for him, specially bc he and kid were linked for a good amount of time.

i don't think i like any character introduced in later seasons aside of Echidna, Gar and Otto(i know he was introduced in S1, but he was just someone riding a carriage) they don't really add anything to the story, i know Subaru can't speak to Pack anymore so he needs some support that maybe Beatrice can't give, but those two are very boring characters to use for that, i burst out laughing last season when Otto's ability to speak to animals was revealed, Natsuki trying to make characters relevant in the weirdest ways possible, Gar annoys the crap out of me, i hate characters that are constantly screaming.

i do dislike Emilia, that's for sure.
I get the trauma, but Subaru was gone for a couple of days, didn't she imagine he was doing something important, busy or being killed, trauma doesn't excuse you wanting to destroy everything around you. Lashing out is the single worst way to deal with trauma.

I said i'm going to keep watching bc there were some threads that i'm curious about, so i won't drop it just yet, i didn't make this thread to show my hate to the world or as bait, i'm just trying to see if my opinions are actually that rare about these newer seasons, bc the scores make it seem like everyone stills loves this series just as much as S1.

I don't think they actually have long faces, is just that their nose seat way too low, far away from the eyes, which looks really odd, it's also always the villains that look like that, maybe it's purpose.







When tf did Emilia wanted to destroy everything around her?! That literally never happened

Moreover no. Getting behind the ability of Sirius' witch factor is not easy AT ALL. Do you realise how Subaru told Reinhardt that she brainwashes people?! That clearly indicates that he can't remember anything clearly after being under her ability. Do you think in a state where all his senses and feelings where basically twice as worse as it would normally be while being strangled to death, he even heard smth Sirius told about her ability?

Before Reinhardt killed off Sirius he realised and connected the dots of her ability
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@AshThe Champ Let me take my time to slightly fix that

After he died first he was still confused and in a PTSD state. He couldn't even tell if he died or not and if so he doesn't know in what way. In that loop he shifts back to old habits by dealing with it by himself which does not go well, but given the state he was in on top of the little time he had it was only natural that he acted too fast and irrational.


He was shaken for dying after a whole year, but he wasn't too irrational. He figured out Emilia might be a target for archbishops and it was proved right in the end. So he made Beako guard her. Liliana was deemed useless, and Priscilla isn't an option.

You're right. Sorry. Like I said I'm tired and could miss some things
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@ReXiRa because anyone with experience on MAL forums knows that "actual discussion" literally doesn't work. I have never seen a single person actually change their opinion whatsoever in scenarios like this one. If the guy is baiting, he's going to stick with it, and if he's not baiting, then he's a dumbass who isn't going to listen to you because his mind is set on the idea that the show is bad.

Generally speaking, I'd personally still like to try

I'm not a fan of giving up a chance to continue a discussion unless they're REALLY arguing in bad faith
@ReXiRa understandable tbf i love arguing with these people sometimes, in this case though the guy just has such a horrible opinion i didn't feel like wasting time on it
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@ReXiRa understandable tbf i love arguing with these people sometimes, in this case though the guy just has such a horrible opinion i didn't feel like wasting time on it
@mohamedo_abuduru i have horrible opinions but you're the one giving only 10s to anything Re: Zero related, this season has 2 episodes, you already gave it a 10, fantastic, you should be able to look in the mirror, try doing it.

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@mohamedo_abuduru i have horrible opinions but you're the one giving only 10s to anything Re: Zero related, this season has 2 episodes, you already gave it a 10, fantastic, you should be able to look in the mirror, try doing it.

An answer would be nice.... 😑

When tf did Emilia wanted to destroy everything around her?! That literally never happened

Moreover no. Getting behind the ability of Sirius' witch factor is not easy AT ALL. Do you realise how Subaru told Reinhardt that she brainwashes people?! That clearly indicates that he can't remember anything clearly after being under her ability. Do you think in a state where all his senses and feelings where basically twice as worse as it would normally be while being strangled to death, he even heard smth Sirius told about her ability?

Before Reinhardt killed off Sirius he realised and connected the dots of her ability
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@mohamedo_abuduru i have horrible opinions but you're the one giving only 10s to anything Re: Zero related, this season has 2 episodes, you already gave it a 10, fantastic, you should be able to look in the mirror, try doing it.

An answer would be nice.... 😑

When tf did Emilia wanted to destroy everything around her?! That literally never happened

Moreover no. Getting behind the ability of Sirius' witch factor is not easy AT ALL. Do you realise how Subaru told Reinhardt that she brainwashes people?! That clearly indicates that he can't remember anything clearly after being under her ability. Do you think in a state where all his senses and feelings where basically twice as worse as it would normally be while being strangled to death, he even heard smth Sirius told about her ability?

Before Reinhardt killed off Sirius he realised and connected the dots of her ability
@AshTheChamp It makes little sense, maybe he's talking about something related to kid Emilia.
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@AshTheChamp It makes little sense, maybe he's talking about something related to kid Emilia.

No he's clearly not. He was yapping about Subaru being absent for a few days or some shit, so the only scene I could think of is after Emilia died in Arc 3 after he told her about RBD and Puck wanted to destroy the world, but that isn't Emilia herself, so who knows what that guy refers to. Probably to nothing, cause his "hatred" for Emilia seems very unreasonable
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@mohamedo_abuduru i have horrible opinions but you're the one giving only 10s to anything Re: Zero related, this season has 2 episodes, you already gave it a 10, fantastic, you should be able to look in the mirror, try doing it.

An answer would be nice.... 😑

When tf did Emilia wanted to destroy everything around her?! That literally never happened

Moreover no. Getting behind the ability of Sirius' witch factor is not easy AT ALL. Do you realise how Subaru told Reinhardt that she brainwashes people?! That clearly indicates that he can't remember anything clearly after being under her ability. Do you think in a state where all his senses and feelings where basically twice as worse as it would normally be while being strangled to death, he even heard smth Sirius told about her ability?

Before Reinhardt killed off Sirius he realised and connected the dots of her ability
@AshTheChamp He definitely remembers what happened with the kid being dropped, after calming down he should have figured it out that his death was connected to the kid being killed, plus the second death would be obvious even to him.

He actually didn't realize Sirius' power before Reinhardt killed her, he just felt something odd about the way she was acting, as if she had a plan.
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@AshTheChamp It makes little sense, maybe he's talking about something related to kid Emilia.
@Laplace_kun i misspoke, i misremembered the scene.

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@AshTheChamp He definitely remembers what happened with the kid being dropped, after calming down he should have figured it out that his death was connected to the kid being killed, plus the second death would be obvious even to him.

He actually didn't realize Sirius' power before Reinhardt killed her, he just felt something odd about the way she was acting, as if she had a plan.

Yeah and her acting showed Subaru that anyone even herself could be the activation of her powers.

Also wtf. How would you know how Subaru SHOULD think or remember about his first death. It's always easy to talk everything small by just watching the sh*t without actually putting yourself into Subaru's situation.

Like I already mentioned before. He died in the second loop while being connected to Lusbel, so it should be obvious what her powers are right? NO. Otherwise he would have said smth different to Reinhardt In the next loop other than "she brainwashes people". He can't think clear, doesn't have control over his senses nor his emotions and probably also can't remember much when he is affected by the powers.

Its really not that hard to get that it's NOT easy to get behind her powers
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@AshTheChamp He definitely remembers what happened with the kid being dropped, after calming down he should have figured it out that his death was connected to the kid being killed, plus the second death would be obvious even to him.

He actually didn't realize Sirius' power before Reinhardt killed her, he just felt something odd about the way she was acting, as if she had a plan.

Yeah and her acting showed Subaru that anyone even herself could be the activation of her powers.

Also wtf. How would you know how Subaru SHOULD think or remember about his first death. It's always easy to talk everything small by just watching the sh*t without actually putting yourself into Subaru's situation.

Like I already mentioned before. He died in the second loop while being connected to Lusbel, so it should be obvious what her powers are right? NO. Otherwise he would have said smth different to Reinhardt In the next loop other than "she brainwashes people". He can't think clear, doesn't have control over his senses nor his emotions and probably also can't remember much when he is affected by the powers.

Its really not that hard to get that it's NOT easy to get behind her powers
@AshTheChamp he clearly remembers what's happening while being under her control, as he knows Reinhardt killing Sirius is what killed him the third time, the first death was only confusing to him bc he just saw the kid being dropped, then he was already back, he just needed put 1 and 1 together for a moment.

Also, Sirius being connected to people was obvious from the start, that's how she controls them, random people being connected emotionally and physically is the one that is hidden at first, but with Subaru dying when the kid gets dropped and the the second death where they're clearly mentally and physically connected, makes it explicit, even to someone confused.
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@AshTheChamp he clearly remembers what's happening while being under her control, as he knows Reinhardt killing Sirius is what killed him the third time, the first death was only confusing to him bc he just saw the kid being dropped, then he was already back, he just needed put 1 and 1 together for a moment.

Yeah, cause he figured it out while being himself that smth was off and after he was ABOUT to tell Reinhardt he returns by death, so that's the point where he got clear evidence that he died due to some form of synchronization going from Sirius. Before that he only could have guessed that, cause he always was in that brainwash state.
Before dying by Reinhardt he could observe the others in that state for the first time and I can only guess that he probably remembered something about a previous loop when he was under the influence of Sirius ability and in that moment before being under the influence himself he could put the things together
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Re: Zero fandom not beating the allegations of being one of the most hateful fandoms.

What did you expect when sharing an "opinion" that literally dunks on the whole series?

but we still have the same stoopid Subaru in S3, always screaming, making situations worse, not being able to figure out a way to fight after dying multiple times [...]

Was he really screaming in S3? Is it truly a bad thing (for the story) that he made things worse in the second loop? Even if it's not a perfect solution, surely you can't argue that bringing Reinhard or strategizing with Beatrice were bad ideas to fight against Sirius in a loop that gives him like 15 minutes before disaster.

I legit think S2 was atrocious, introducing tons of really really boring characters [...]

Can't argue against finding Otto or Garfiel boring, but I find that hating Garfiel because he's loud is rather surface level. The other witches were in big part here for world building and mystery; knowing they existed and their personality & relationships fuels the mystery that englobes Satella/The Witch of Envy and why she would devour half the world and kill the witches. Emilia previously had little agency, season 2 worked toward giving her agency. "Subaru goes missing and she goes bananas" is just a gross oversimplification.

Priscila was the one to tell her to go

That's not exactly it. Subaru told Emilia to stay put, and she trusts him enough to oblige. She decided to trust Subaru with whatever she was doing. Priscilla is being built up to show that she's very observant. You don't have to like Emilia or the way she's treated in the story, but your hate is overblown.

with all characters feeling one dimensional and their interactions being hollow, like NPCs [...]

I can't see that so I can't agree. In my eyes we've been shown how characters grew between the events of seasons 2 and 3, with the main cast's dynamics being quite different and more wholesome than before. Your sentence seems devoid of backing. "[Season 1 came out well] since all of the arcs are self contained with just a couple of important characters". Just no, the whole second half of season 1 had just about as many characters as there are now in season 3.

Worldbuilding still non-existent.

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Why does Subaru still wears his earth clothes?

Rem had made a ton of copies.
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This coming from a guy with a mean score of 5, and puts masterpieces like Frieran and Violet Evergarden under a score of 5.

Ehh, comparing shows don't really work since Frieren and Violet Evergarden (past the first season) aren't flawless anyways

For frieren, personally it's how demons are handled, which are just so very shallow and reinforces racist influences in fantasy worlds

Also I'm just not a big fan of how her story went in the last movie, (the original season is nearly flawless though)

Bruh, this whole post is a bait, and you the one out here typing up a monologue in response. His arguments for his beliefs and his responses are completely stupid, and nonsensical. He hasn’t really given a solid reason for hating the show 😂

Frieran may not be a masterpiece to some, but sure as hell ain’t a 4/10. His mean score is a 5. It means he shits on all shows. He is a baiter, you fell for it hook, line, and sinker 😂
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@Okeanix opinion on this?
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@Okeanix opinion on this?
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@Okeanix opinion on this?

His response was the creation of another thread specifically mocking this man 😂
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Fair enough, but why post this? You would of probably been better off writing a review, maybe.

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